Simon Bouvier, Paris bureau chief for Monocle, and Yair Zivan, an Israeli author and advisor, join Michèle Flournoy, a former US defense official, to discuss the precarious state of centrism. They dive into the challenges faced by centrists in a starkly polarized political landscape, especially in France under Macron. The conversation also touches on the tension between Trump’s foreign policy instincts and norms, the delicate balance in Gaza, and the essential role of compromise in navigating modern governance. This compelling dialogue reveals how pragmatism is crucial for a sustainable political future.