Do Catholic arguments for the papacy hold up under scrutiny? In this passionate yet cordial dialogue between Dr. Gavin Ortlund and Joe Heschmeyer, the arguments for the papacy are examined in detail, including was there was a bishop in Rome in the first century? Is apostolic succession valid? What evidence is there for a three-fold office in the church? Was Peter head of the apostles? And so much more. These two were able to go back and forth, delving into Scripture, the Church Fathers, and the modern definitions of papal infallibility and universal jurisdiction.

Dr. Gavin Ortlund:
YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtWD...

Joe Heschmeyer:
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The Cordial Catholic:
Podcast: https://podcast.thecordialcatholic.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUaa...

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