When you're trying to get started in music there is a tendency to find yourself doing all sorts of stuff just for the privilege of being involved. One of the first things I ever did was conduct an extremely poorly-researched interview with an up-n-coming DJ and producer who was making tunes every dark garage DJ wanted (it wasn't quite called Grime yet). He called himself Plasticman.

A few years and one letter from Richie Hawtin later, Chris Reed aka Plastician was spinning on Radio 1, and shortly after that became one of the busiest DJs of the Dubstep explosion of 2006.

Fast-fwd another fifteen years and he is still DJing, making tunes, and running his label Terrorhythm, while also heavily involved in the Friends With Benefits DAO, and a firm advocate of the web3 space as a whole.

As the above would indicate we discuss a wide range of topics, including the end of UKG as we knew it in 2000, what exactly a DAO is anyway, and the legendary DJ Hatcha.

We also get pretty deep into the challenges of making a living out of music over the course of multiple decades, and the many different opportunities that present themselves along the way.

Chris is a true soldier of the UK underground and you will enjoy this conversation!

On Hotflush this week the 'Iceberg' EP from Bakongo drops, featuring the 'Over Again' collab with *me* which first dropped a few weeks ago.

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