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The Human Factor

Aug 26, 2021
Former CIA operations official William Murray discusses the loss of the agency's spy base in Kabul. Africa expert Jacob Zenn assesses the impact of the Taliban-Al Qaeda triumph on militants across the continent. The collapse of the Afghan military and government, the implications of the Taliban takeover in Africa, and the challenges of US counter-insurgency efforts in the region are explored.
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  • Human sources on the ground are crucial for gathering reliable intelligence in Afghanistan after the US withdrawal.
  • Afghanistan is likely to revert to a fragmented state, with tribal factions and warlords emerging, creating intelligence opportunities.

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Difficulties of Intelligence Gathering in Afghanistan

Bill Murray, a former CIA operations official, highlights the challenges of gathering intelligence in Afghanistan without a US embassy or military presence. He emphasizes the limitations of technical collection systems and the need for human sources on the ground to provide valuable information about installations, decision-making, and training camps. Murray believes that there are likely very few human assets left in Afghanistan after the US withdrawal, making it difficult to establish communication and gather reliable intelligence.

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