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Anne and Alison talk with Kay Gardner, LCPC about her work helping people hand back their legacy burdens to their ancestors where they belong. Not all of the trauma we carry around is ours to carry. Learn about Kay's healing work helping us unburden our trauma. Kay Gardner has over 40 years of clinical experience and 30 years in private practice. She is a senior Lead Trainer for Internal Family Systems (IFS) and has been involved with IFS since 1991.  Prior to her work with IFS, she was a therapist and a teacher of Hakomi Body-Centered Psychotherapy.

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