In this episode, we test Noelle Kringle from the film Noelle on Disney+, interview Seth Barnes, author of Kingdom Journeys: Rediscovering Pilgrimage, and talk about how taking risks can change your life.

Seth Barnes, the leader of a large nonprofit and the author of a book about pilgrimage, Kingdom Journeys: Rediscovering the Lost Spiritual Discipline. Seth also happens to be my father-in-law, and in my book Crowdsourcing Paris, he’s the one who challenged me to add more adventure to my book project, which completely transformed the book and my whole trip.

In this interview we talk about some of Seth’s biggest adventures, including a journey to Cambodia as a young man to work with refugees during the Cambodian genocide and his frequent hikes along the Camino del Santiago pilgrimage trail in Spain and France. At the end of our conversation we talk about the nature of adventure and our need for risk in our lives so that we can live better stories.

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