Fresh Air A Revealing Profile Of Trump Chief Of Staff Susie Wiles
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Dec 18, 2025 In a candid discussion, journalist Chris Whipple delves into his 11 interviews with Susie Wiles, Trump's Chief of Staff. Wiles shares insights on her unique relationship with Trump, labeling his personality as akin to an 'alcoholic's.' The conversation highlights her pivotal role in the 2016 campaign, her endorsement of controversial policies regarding Venezuela, and her views on cabinet members. Whipple exposes the complexities of Wiles' role—whether as an enabler or restrainer—while shedding light on her defense of Trump's health and behavior.
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Power Through Earned Trust
- Susie Wiles rose from behind-the-scenes strategist to be the most powerful person after Trump by earning his trust over years.
- Chris Whipple credits her as indispensable to Trump's 2024 victory and White House influence.
Turning Verbal Abuse Into Political Breakthrough
- In 2016 Trump verbally abused Wiles but she replied she could win Florida and then left, prompting him to call daily.
- That moment began a long bond that led to her running his 2024 campaign and securing deep trust.
From Brake-Setter To Facilitator
- Wiles negotiated a "90-day" end to Trump's revenge tour but that pledge didn't hold and she shifted toward supporting prosecutions of his enemies.
- Whipple concludes she now does fewer hard interventions and is more aligned with MAGA retribution.