Author, journalist, documentarian, and television producer, Chris Whipple, is an expert on the political game and is always VERY plugged into DC's rumor mill. This week, Chris joins Rick to discuss everything from Trump's governing chaos to the formidable Susie Wiles, to a peek behind the curtains about what was happening in the White House at the end of Biden's term and how everything transpired when the Harris campaign took over (coming from a highly reputable source).

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Please check out Chris's new book, "Uncharted: How Trump Beat Biden, Harris, and the Odds in the Wildest Campaign in History," and follow Chris on X at @ccwhip and on Bluesky at @whipplc.bsky.social.

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