The Partially Examined Life Philosophy Podcast

Ep. 383: Freud on Love and the Primal Horde (Part Two)

Jan 19, 2026
The hosts dive into Freud's theories on group psychology and the dynamics of leadership. They debate whether humans are herd animals or political beings, discussing how identification with leaders can transform hostility into ethics. Freud's primal horde hypothesis is explored, linking it to evolutionary roots and chimpanzee behavior. The conversation touches on how contemporary leaders can serve as superego substitutes, with reflections on love, charisma, and political identification, raising profound questions about modern group dynamics.
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Group Feeling Is Developmental Not Innate

  • Freud argues group feeling develops through identification, not as a fixed instinct present at birth.
  • Seth Paskin links early mirroring and recognition to how identification builds social bonds and identity.
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Ethics Grows Out Of Transformed Hostility

  • Freud claims altruism and ethical impulses originate from hostility and envy transformed via identification.
  • Identification with a leader or ideal stabilizes interpersonal hostility into group ethics.
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Primal Horde As Genealogy Of Conscience

  • Freud's primal horde is a speculative state-of-nature story where a despotic father monopolizes resources and is killed by sons.
  • The murder creates guilt that becomes the origin of conscience and totemic group structures.
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