211. Arnie and Jay Kogen

In celebration of Father's Day, Gilbert and Frank welcome Emmy-winning comedy writers Arnie and Jay Kogen ("The Carol Burnett Show," "Newhart," "The Simpsons," "Frasier") for a hilarious conversation about failed pilots, cheesy variety shows, the outrageousness of Pat McCormick and the "unwritten rules" of writing for television. Also, Soupy Sales takes flight, Jackie Mason takes offense, Garry Shandling gripes about the sunset and the Kogens party with the Jackson 5. PLUS: "Monkey World"! The genius of James L. Brooks! "The World's Oldest Fireman"! Jay reinterprets "The Aristocrats"! And Gilbert and Arnie remember "Thicke of the Night"!

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