PT498 – Maria Mangini, Ph.D., FNP – Traversing the Psychedelic Landscape: From Esalen and Millbrook to the Future of Shulgin Farm
Mar 26, 2024
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Maria Mangini, Ph.D., FNP, shares her journey from psychedelic pioneers to midwifery. Discussions include the Shulgins' partnership, Denis Berry's archival work, and the parallels between midwifery and psychedelic therapy. Explore the societal balance represented by the Shulgins, and the unsung heroes of the psychedelic movement.
Elders like the Shulgins exemplify collaborative equality, setting a positive social model.
Navigating legal and social dynamics in psychedelic communities requires addressing misconduct while allowing redemption pathways.
Deep dives
The Influence of Elders and Conviviality
The podcast highlights the significance of elders in shaping communities, emphasizing the importance of setting social norms and ensuring decorum. The legacy left by figures like Stan and Christina showcased how conviviality and decorum play crucial roles within these settings, providing a model for how relationships and behaviors can positively impact communal spaces.
Lessons on Ostracism and Integration
The discussion delves into the delicate balance between ostracism and reintegration in social circles, especially in the context of legal issues and challenging behaviors. The podcast reflects on the complexities of navigating relationships within the psychedelic community where legal risks and social norms intersect, underscoring the need to address misconduct while providing pathways for redemption.
Navigating Legal and Social Challenges
The podcast explores the legal and social challenges faced by individuals involved in cannabis cultivation and related activities, highlighting the importance of tight team dynamics and appropriate behavior within communal setups. The conversation stresses the potential ramifications of legal troubles and the need for impeccable conduct within group settings to mitigate risks and maintain community cohesion.
Advice for the Youthful Seeker
In offering guidance to younger individuals interested in psychedelic movements, the podcast encourages making deliberate choices that preserve multiple opportunities for the future. It suggests embracing decisions that provide flexibility and avoid limiting options, advocating for thoughtful decision-making processes that align with personal growth and societal acceptance of diverse roles and responsibilities.
In this episode, Joe interviews Maria Mangini, Ph.D., FNP: researcher, educator, and midwife who has worked closely with many psychedelic innovators and was part of the original social network at Shulgin Farm – where this episode was recorded. She traces her journey from the influence of pioneers like the Wassons, Shulgins, and Grofs, and historic places like Esalen and Millbrook.
She discusses:
Her early experiences with the Grofs at Esalen and how she met the Shulgins
Gregory Bateson guiding her to become a midwife
The similarities between midwifery and psychedelic facilitation
The unsung work of Denis Berry in saving the Timothy Leary archives
How the working relationship of the Shulgins is a perfect example of the coequality society should strive for