Kevin Roose Has 18 New Best Friends—And They're All AIs - Ep. 21
May 15, 2024
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Kevin Roose, NYT journalist, created 18 AI friends for a month with Noma and Kindroid. Topics include AI companions for all, AI vs ChatGPT friendships, safe social exploration with AI, dangers of AI reliance, AI dating concerns, and using AI to express relationship values.
AI companions offer personalized interactions beyond traditional chatbots, catering to diverse social needs.
Ethical concerns arise from forming emotional connections with AI, raising questions about societal impacts and personal relationships.
Deep dives
Emergence of AI Companionship Industry
The podcast delves into the emergence of a new industry focused on AI companionship that exists outside the major AI companies' scope. Companies like NoMe, Kindroid, and CharacterAI offer platforms to create customized AI personas for social interactions. These AI companions can have personalized backstories, engage in group chats, and even provide personalized advice, catering to a growing demand, especially among young people.
Complexity of AI Companions
The podcast explores the complexity of interactions with AI companions, highlighting the fine line between the realism and the limitations of these relationships. While users are drawn to the AI companions for advice, emotional support, and even simulated relationships, there is a recognition that AI companions are not sentient beings but neural networks trained for prediction. Despite the technological advancements enabling convincing interactions, there's a dual response of fascination and wariness towards forming connections with AI.
Ethical Concerns and Emotional Attachments
Ethical concerns regarding the emotional and romantic attachments that users may develop with AI companions are discussed. The podcast delves into the potential benefits and risks associated with individuals forming strong emotional connections with AI. While some argue that AI companions offer a safe space for exploration, especially on personal aspects like sexuality, there are concerns about substituting real human connections with AI interactions, raising questions about societal norms and the impact on personal relationships.
Integration of AI Tools in Everyday Life
The podcast also touches on the integration of various AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini in daily tasks, ranging from research and writing assistance to creative brainstorming and practical problem-solving. AI tools serve as valuable assistants for generating content, conducting research, and providing novel perspectives, enhancing productivity and creativity across different areas of work and personal life.
The NYT’s Kevin Roose has 18 new friends—none of whom are human.
His new friends are AI personas that he made with Noma, Kindroid, and other AI companion apps. There’s fitness guru Jared, therapist Peter, trial lawyer Anna, and over a dozen more.
Kevin talked to them every day for a month, sharing his feelings, asking for parenting advice, and even using them for “fit” checks.
This isn’t the first time Kevin has had an…unusual interaction with an AI persona. A year ago, he was the target of Bing’s chatbot Sydney’s unhinged romantic affections.
Kevin has gone deeper into the world of AI companions than anyone I know. He is a tech columnist at the New York Times, cohost of the Hard Fork podcast, and the author of three books. In this episode, I sat down with Kevin to learn more about his interactions with AI. We dive into:
Why AI companions aren’t just for lonely people or shy teenagers
Why AI personas are better friends than ChatGPT
How AI companions can be used to safely explore different social contexts
The risk of young people relying on AI for friendship
The icks of AI dating and intimacy
How to use AI to articulate what you value in your relationships
This is a must-watch for anyone curious about how AI is changing the way we form relationships.
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