In this episode, author, poet, and activist Natalie Bryant joins Vanya for an in-depth conversation on leaving the obedient life and moving toward wildness and sovereignty.  

We discuss the unwritten contracts— the shoulds and external expectations —that we were devoted to when we met in our late teens.  Our conversation includes topics like the work of discerning between external expectations for our lives and what we really want, the sorrow and joy of leaving the known for the unknown over and over again, and the idea of safety within and without the approved paths in our lives. 

In this honest conversation, we talk about our experiences, insights, struggles, and questions as we continually learn to move toward the center of our own lives.