Alex O'Connor on Animal Suffering: Christian Response
Dec 23, 2024
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The podcast dives into the complex relationship between animal suffering and the existence of a benevolent God. It debates philosophical perspectives, particularly the fine-tuning argument and theodicy. The discussion highlights C.S. Lewis's views on pain in animals and critiques traditional beliefs about suffering's origins. The conversation also explores how angelic fall theodicy relates to the problem of evil, challenging listeners to reflect on moral responsibilities and the deeper implications of suffering in the natural world.
The tension between animal suffering and the notion of a benevolent God challenges theists to reconcile observable cruelty with divine goodness.
The angelic fall theodicy posits that suffering in the world is a result of rebellion by angelic beings, allowing for a narrative of hope.
Deep dives
The Problem of Animal Suffering
Animal suffering raises profound questions in debates about the existence of God, particularly regarding the relationship between a benevolent deity and the cruelty observed in nature. Instances such as a deer dying slowly from starvation or being killed by a predator highlight the suffering that occurs without any human intervention or moral choice. This suffering challenges the concept of a wholly good and all-powerful God, creating a tension between observable cruelty and the belief in divine goodness. The argument posits that such suffering presents a major difficulty for theistic beliefs, introducing the question of how a benevolent God could allow such pain to exist in the world.
Suffering vs. Fine-Tuning
The interplay between animal suffering and the fine-tuning argument suggests a complex dynamic in the discussion of theism and atheism. Fine-tuning of the universe seems to point toward design, while the suffering of animals complicates the divine narrative. Philosophers propose that instead of these issues opposing each other, they might provide middle ground options that reconcile both perspectives. Some argue that theism is afforded a broader explanatory framework for animal suffering, while atheism struggles to account for both fine-tuning and the presence of consciousness.
The Angelic Fall Theodicy
The angelic fall theodicy offers a perspective on why suffering, particularly animal suffering, exists in a world created by an orderly God. This theodicy suggests that the world is inherently good but was corrupted through the rebellion of angelic beings, thereby introducing chaos and cruelty into creation. Key thinkers like C.S. Lewis and Thomas Aquinas support the idea that the influence of fallen angels has impacted the physical world, and thus the presence of evil and suffering is a consequence of this initial rebellion. Advocates of this view maintain that while suffering is real and significant, it aligns with a broader narrative of a fallen world, ultimately allowing for hope and the promise of restoration.
Gavin Ortlund responds to Alex O'Connor's comments in recent debates about animal suffering as an argument against the existence of God.
My full video on angelic fall theodicy:
https://youtu.be/p0G-3eFHeq8?si=FN-afzSmnR7r85u8
My 2015 article in Evangelical Quarterly:
https://truthunites.org/mypublications/
Truth Unites exists to promote gospel assurance through
theological depth.
Gavin Ortlund (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary) is
President of Truth Unites and Theologian-in-Residence at Immanuel Nashville.