In 2018 I sat down with one of the great spiritual teachers, authors, and poets of our time.

During that conversation Mark Nepo asked a question that shook me:

"When my heart begins to close, how do I open it again?"

My life, my work, and the trajectory of the podcast shifted as a result.

The question was presented not as a simple one, with a static answer,

But rather as an inquiry to live into - Allowing life’s experiences to reveal the answers over time.

In 2023 Mark came back on the show to take a deeper and more expansive dive into this beautiful question and the broader terrain of heart work.

In this episode we cover 3 conversational chapters.

1. How do we open the heart in the face of a storm?

2. How do we follow our heart and engage in the practice of being real as we make the courageous journey toward wholeness?

3. How can we meet life’s adversities, and challenges from a place of love vs. fear?

What unfolded here was 5 years in the making, and remains one of the more popular episodes we’ve put out to date.

So today we thought we’d re release it as part of season 5. We hope you enjoy!

For more on Mark including his wonderful book Surviving Storms: Finding the Strength to Meet Adversity please visit marknepo.com.

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