

Dad Rock on the block, AI pilots, 21 Pilots, what happens -- and stays -- in San Juan.
Sep 12, 2025
This discussion dives into the complexities of AI music licensing, featuring insights from industry leaders. The episode highlights the copyright implications of AI-generated music and contrasts viewpoints from notable musicians like Jack White and Morrissey. Additionally, it examines the cultural and economic impact of Bad Bunny's concerts in San Juan. The legal battle between 21 Pilots and Temu over trademark infringement adds a spicy twist to the conversation, keeping listeners engaged with the ever-evolving music landscape.
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STIM’s Limited But Novel AI License
- STIM launched a pilot AI music licensing framework tied to specific startups and opted-in rights holders.
- The program is promising but limited in scope and needs broad buy-in to scale globally.
Tech-Tied Licensing To Test Attribution
- STIM's framework is built around Songfox and Surreal AI with Aileen Crowley providing tracking infrastructure.
- Tying licenses to specific technologies helps test attribution but may limit flexibility long-term.
Don't Take One-Time AI Buyouts
- Avoid one-time payouts for AI use until market norms and valuation settle, as Rob Levine and Lars caution.
- Preserve long-term upside rather than cashing out too early on unestablished markets.