We all want to be healthy… but it is a difficult feat in a society that is constantly enticing us to be unhealthy. Fast food, screens, long work hours, and lack of connection means that in order to be healthy, we actually need to take a radical step in the other direction. You might say that we need to be a healthy deviant! Today’s guest, Pilar Gerasimo, is a founding editor of Experience Life magazine, co-host of the top rated The Living Experiment podcast, and author of The Healthy Deviant: A Rule Breaker's Guide to Being Healthy in an Unhealthy World. We are excited to bring you an enlightening conversation all about what it means to be a health deviant. Stay tuned to learn what steps you can take to build a life that supports your health. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 3:17 - Pilar’s story 9:29 - Why willpower fails 15:29 - Why our genetics and environment don’t match 20:25 - Multitasking doesn’t work 27:08 - What does it mean to be a healthy deviant 33:00 - How society might need to change for our health 38:11 - Ultradian rhythms 43:50 - Being a healthy deviant in the healthcare system 49:57 - What Pilar does every day to cultivate joy 51:06 - Getting in touch with Pilar