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It used to be that being a tech journalist was about boosterism and gadgetry. Now it’s like reporting inside the Pentagon, if the Pentagon were staffed by incredibly motivated and secretive experts who are regularly reassured they’re doing holy work, threatened with exile if they ever speak to a reporter, and paid more than any journalist can imagine.

And yet investigative tech reporter Paris Martineau has single-handedly conducted investigations that led to the resignation of multiple CEOs — no small feat in an industry that is famously difficult to pierce as a journalist. In this hourlong interview we talk about how hard it is to find good sources inside Big Tech, and how critically important it is to do that now, when those companies and their leaders are truly learning to run the world.

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