Francesca Fiorentini joins the discussion to dissect the complex legacy of John Wayne, revealing the darker sides of his larger-than-life persona. They humorously navigate Wayne's intense embodiment of hyper masculinity and its lasting influence on American culture. The conversation peels back the layers of Wayne’s childhood and familial struggles, exploring themes of villainy and nostalgia. They also reflect on the evolution of masculinity, shedding light on the romanticized American ideals and the often troubling realities behind them.