Chat_136 – The Most Bullish Man in Bitcoin with Christian Keroles

Jul 9, 2025

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If Bitcoin is a paradigm shift, it gets to that stage, like it will be an even bigger product than AI, than chat GPT. And like, okay, now imagine the world where not everyone's fighting Bitcoin, but everyone's like, holy shit, I want to start a Bitcoin business. Like I want like, I need to integrate Bitcoin to my business. I'm going to create a business about integrating Bitcoin into your business. You know, like that's coming if Bitcoin is a paradigm shift. I really don't think that anyone is bullish enough to like where this thing goes if it is what we say it is.
~ Christian Keroles

Christian Keroles (CK) returns to the show, and it’s probably the most bullish conversation we’ve had in years.

We dig into paradigm shifts, Bitcoin treasuries, and the explosion of freedom tech. CK shares the inside story of the Finney Freedom Prize, how HRF’s development fund is shaping the future, and why he believes we're not even close to understanding how big Bitcoin is going to get.

Is Bitcoin about to outscale AI? Are stablecoins just CBDCs in disguise? What happens when sovereign tools scale to billions? We wrestle with the cycles, the hype, and the hard questions - then get seriously bullish.

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