From 'The Conversation': Seth Moulton on the Epstein emails, Venezuela, and the shutdown

Nov 16, 2025

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Mike DeBonis

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Seth Moulton

Seth Moulton, a four-tour Iraq veteran and U.S. Representative from Massachusetts, and Mike DeBonis, Senior Congressional editor at Politico, dive into the recent government shutdown and its implications. Moulton critiques Senate Democrats for missing a golden opportunity to extend Affordable Care Act subsidies, while calling for generational change in leadership. He links the Epstein emails to broader issues of accountability and inequality, and suggests veterans can enhance Democratic credibility. DeBonis provides context on the shutdown negotiations and the political fallout.

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INSIGHT

Missed Leverage On Health Care

Seth Moulton argues Senate Democrats folded at a moment of leverage and missed a path to lower Americans' health costs.
He says Chuck Schumer "snatched defeat from the jaws of victory" by conceding too early.

ADVICE

Keep The Team United

Keep the team united and negotiate until real concessions are won, not symbolic votes.
Don't accept half-measures; push for binding agreements that deliver affordable health care.

INSIGHT

Leadership Signals Matter To Opponents

Moulton wants younger, tougher Senate leadership to deter Trump's tactics.
He warns current leadership signals to Trump that strong-arm tactics will work again.

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Rep. Seth Moulton (D–Mass.) is not one to shy away from criticism of his own party. He made waves in the past when he insisted that the Democrats’ approach to dialogue on transgender issues was stifling. Moulton has also been vocal about the need for generational change in an aging Washington.

This time, the Massachusetts congressman is speaking out about the deal that ended the longest government shutdown in history. And how Senate Democrats missed an opportunity to extend the Affordable Care Act subsidies

“If Republicans were somehow gaining advantage here, if the polling was shifting in their favor, if they had done well in the elections last week, then I might say,’Okay, I get it. It doesn't seem like this strategy is working, so let's give up,’” says Moulton. “But Schumer has just snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.”

Moulton is a veteran who served four tours in Iraq as a Marine Corps infantry officer. He’s also challenging Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey for his seat in the 2026 midterms, facing competition from Rep. Joe Kennedy III in the process.

“Senator Markey is a good guy,” says Moulton. “He served the country for half a century. I mean, he's been in office longer than I've been alive. He and I agree on many of the issues. He says the right things, he has great press releases, but how much has he actually gotten done?”

In this week’s episode of The Conversation, Moulton talks with POLITICO’s Dasha Burns about how Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is failing his party, why age needs to be a major consideration for lawmakers and how Senate Democrats could have done more to guarantee access to affordable healthcare.

Plus, POLITICO’s Senior Congressional editor Mike DeBonis joins Dasha to discuss how the shutdown finally came to an end, which party ended up better off afterwards and how this event may shape Congress in the year to come.

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this podcast misstated that former Rep. Joe Kennedy III is running against Sen. Ed Markey in 2026. Kennedy ran against Markey in 2020 but has not announced plans to run against Markey in 2026.