This week, Vanessa and Matt explore the theme of Naivete in Chapter 31 of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix! They discuss Hagrid’s arrest, Harry’s big plan, and the end of Occlumency lessons! Throughout the episode we consider the question: how does naivete leave us more vulnerable?

Thank you to Alex for this week’s voicemail! Next week we're reading Chapter 32, Out of the Fire, through the theme of Isolation with Casper ter Kuile!

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Naivete: O.W.L.s (Book 5, Chapter 31)