Luke Kemp, author of Goliath’s Curse, explores why civilizations fall, what history gets wrong about collapse, and how distributed, cooperative societies have often thrived where empires failed.

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Jan Talon, Elon Musk, Genghis Khan, Niccolò Machiavelli, Andrew Carnegie, Francis Bacon, Harvey Whitehouse, Benedict Anderson, Audrey Tang, Edward Teller, Steve Bannon, Andrew Cuomo, Rudy Giuliani, Lot (biblical figure), King Tut, Jacob (biblical patriarch), Noah Yuval Harari

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