Conversations: Niall Ferguson, Historian and Author
Nov 14, 2023
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Historian Niall Ferguson discusses the tactical difficulties Israel faces in rooting out Hamas, while criticizing the decline of Western support due to a woke university system. The podcast also explores threats to Western freedom, Japan's role in Asia, and the need for citizen engagement in global issues.
Rooting out Hamas from Gaza is a difficult task due to their extensive tunnel network and even if eradicated, the situation for Palestinians may not improve significantly.
Improving economic opportunities for the ordinary people in Gaza is crucial to eliminate the corruption and criminal activities of Hamas and prevent the emergence of new radical organizations.
Urban warfare in Gaza poses challenges due to booby traps and the use of civilian infrastructure by Hamas, raising concerns about the West's ambivalence towards civilian casualties.
Deep dives
Challenges of Rooting Out Hamas in Gaza
Rooting out Hamas from Gaza is an extremely difficult tactical and operational challenge due to their extensive network of tunnels. However, even if Hamas were eradicated, the predicament of the Palestinian people in Gaza would likely remain unchanged, and another radical organization could emerge.
Need for Better Opportunities in Gaza
While Hamas rules in Gaza, the ordinary people desire better economic opportunities and are hindered by Hamas' corruption and criminal activities. To effectively eliminate such a cancer from the society, it is crucial to create improved opportunities for the people in Gaza after the war.
Urban Warfare Challenges and Public Relations
Urban warfare in Gaza is highly complex and dangerous due to booby-trapped areas and the use of civilian infrastructure by Hamas. As civilian casualties increase, there is concern about the West's ambivalence in calling for restraint, proportionality, and pauses, which may impact public relations.
The Rise of Pro-Palestinian Protests and Anti-Israel Sentiment
There has been a shift in public sentiment, particularly among younger generations, towards a pro-Palestinian stance and criticism of Israel. These sentiments have been prominent in protests around the world, including on university campuses, raising concerns about the lack of empathy for Israelis and the rise of anti-Semitism.
The Challenges of the Second Cold War
The world is currently in a new Cold War, with China replacing the Soviet Union as a major rival to the United States. This Cold War is characterized by ideological, technological, geopolitical, and economic competition. However, the West faces challenges in terms of fiscal reform, economic strength, and building effective alliances to counter the rise of China and address potential conflicts in Ukraine, the Middle East, and Taiwan.
John is re-joined by pre-eminent historian Niall Ferguson to analyse the latest conflict between Israel and Hamas. Ferguson argues that due to the nature of Hamas’ urban warfare, tunnel systems and civilian shields, Israel will have a long and difficult campaign ahead. He also points out that the decline in Western support for Israel, particularly in the younger generations, is due to a woke university system propagating Islamist and left-wing viewpoints, attempting to create a moral equivalence between the October 7 terrorist attacks and Israel’s response.
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