In Episode 301 of History in Five Songs with Martin Popoff, Martin argues that there's no such thing as proto-punk, exploring how bands like The Saints, MC5, and The Stooges challenged the conventional labels by suggesting that many so-called proto-punk acts are better understood as neo-garage or heavy rock bands, rather than direct precursors to punk.
- The Saints – “No Time”
- MC5 – “Call Me Animal”
- The Stooges – “Your Pretty Face Is Going to Hell”
- New York Dolls – “Jet Boy”
- The Dictators – “Weekend”
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