Brad Fisher & Chris Grimes: How 2 Great Coaches Help People the Same Way | Listening Without Agenda

In this episode of Just Press Record, Matt Zeigler brings together motivational comedian and storytelling coach Chris Grimes and structural scalability expert Brad Fisher for a spontaneous, free-flowing conversation about story, leadership, presence, improvisation, personal growth, and the bridges between creativity and organizational transformation. What begins as a playful meeting between two strangers quickly evolves into a deep exploration of how stories shape who we are, how we lead, and how we help others make meaningful transitions in business and in life.

Topics Covered
• Why asking tell me your story creates instant connection and trust
• How deep listening unlocks meaningful conversations
• The role of presence and improvisation in leadership and communication
• Chris Grimes on The Good Listening To Show and his story framework
• Brad Fisher on structural scalability, the second leap, and transforming businesses
• How to find your island B and define what you really want next
• The power of letting go, delegation, and moving from how to who
• Legacy, purpose, creativity, and finding your flow state
• Storytelling as a tool for coaching, leadership, and personal transformation
• Balancing business growth with authenticity and well-being

Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
00:56 Why Tell Me Your Story Works
01:33 Deep Listening and The Good Listening To Show
02:00 Purpose, Flow, and Alchemy
02:47 Story as the Golden Thread
03:21 Introducing Chris Grimes and Brad Fisher
06:10 The Art of Skip Diving
08:00 Dog Psychology and Early Notes
09:55 First Impressions: Guessing Each Other’s Work
12:09 What Is a Motivational Comedian
14:01 How Improv Changes Communication
16:29 Eyes on Springs and Presence
18:00 Teaching Spontaneity and the Clock of Now
20:00 Tell Me Your Story as a Leadership Tool
22:23 Legacy Life Reflections and Capturing Stories
24:09 StoryCorps and Shared Human Stories
26:34 How the Legacy Framework Works
28:00 Brand Stories, Founder Stories, Leadership Stories
30:24 Story Structures and 5 4 3 2 1
33:00 Alchemy, Gold, and the Cake
34:09 How Brad Builds Stories With Clients
37:01 Brad’s Framework and the Second Leap
39:00 Stage One Companies vs Stage Two Companies
41:00 The Six Scalability
42:53 Second Curves and Reinventing Yourself
44:56 Courage, Change, and Revealing What’s Already There
46:12 Leading With Presence and Letting the Team Step Up
48:00 Island A vs Island B
50:17 Who Not How and Shifting Your Mindset
51:00 Chris’s Podcast Growth and Distribution
53:00 Becoming a Digital Nomad Broadcaster
55:00 What to Stop Doing: Busyness vs Flow
57:00 Building Support Around the Creative Work
59:00 Self-Compassion and Reducing Pressure
01:01:00 Following the Soul Chime
01:02:00 Building vs Extracting Stories
01:03:00 Creativity in the Known and Unknown