

Luke Kemp: The History and Future of Societal Collapse
8 snips Oct 15, 2025
In this engaging discussion, Luke Kemp, a research associate at the Centre for the Study of Existential Risk and author of 'Goliath's Curse', explores the intricacies of societal collapse. He challenges Thomas Hobbes' view of human cooperation, highlights how agriculture led to elite dominance, and reveals that societal breaks can sometimes benefit ordinary people. Kemp also warns about the fragility of our interconnected world and recommends practical steps to mitigate existential risks in the future.
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Civilization As Dominance Hierarchy
- 'Goliath' labels large dominance hierarchies that rule by violence and are surprisingly fragile.
- Early civilizations share traits like slavery, mass sacrifice, and elite violence rather than 'civilized' virtues.
Prestate Cooperation Was Extensive
- Paleolithic humans show wide cooperation, mobility, and cultural sharing without states or monopolies of violence.
- Hobbes' 'war of all against all' contradicts anthropological and archaeological evidence of long-term cooperation.
What Fuels Large States
- 'Goliath fuel' are lootable, storable crops, monopolizable weapons, and caged land that enable elites to capture surplus.
- These conditions produced repeated independent rises of large states in some regions but not others.