For much of her life, author Maggie Jackson disliked uncertainty and thought of it as something to eradicate as quickly as possible. But when she began to explore the uncertain mind, she discovered new scientific findings showing that uncertainty is critical for astute problem-solving and creativity. She joins Sean to talk about what she learned and how being unsure can lead to a better, more hopeful life.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area

Guest: Maggie Jackson. You can find her books and more at https://www.maggie-jackson.com/

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