Pulitzer Prize-winning author and Atlantic staff writer Anne Applebaum joins Charlie Sykes to unpack the shocking revelations of the "SignalGate" scandal—an alarming breach of national security and a window into the chaos of the second Trump administration. Applebaum explains how the use of unsecured messaging apps, bizarre bravado among senior officials, and a deep-seated hostility toward Europe signal a broader collapse of institutional norms. The conversation also explores how modern autocratic tactics are taking hold in the U.S., and why the erosion of resistance in American institutions should be sounding alarm bells.
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To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes