Julia Rosenberg is the co-founder and chief pod officer of Metropolis (formerly Orca). Metropolis is the trustware layer for scaling socialware: pods. Pods build on the embedded socialware within small groups of people, creating an automated container for coordination. Jess and Julia explore current governance experiments, both successes and challenges. Recent DAO shakeups demonstrate an over-indexing against centralization and corporate structure. As we move toward scalable trustware, there is one socialware that cannot be automated: leadership.