The former Work and Income boss says the Government getting 81 thousand people off the benefit is a big achievement, despite the overall number going up.
Ministry of Social Development statistics show almost eight thousand more people were receiving a main benefit in June compared to March.
It follows the coalition putting new requirements and sanctions in place for beneficiaries.
Christine Rankin told Heather du Plessis Allan the increase is inevitable with the current economy, but the tougher conditions are the right move.
She says until Louise Upston came along as Minister, there were no expectations for beneficiaries to do anything.
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