Oprah is joined by a live audience in New York City for a candid conversation about the soaring rates of divorce for people over the age of 50, what experts are calling "gray divorce.” Even though the overall divorce rate is on the decline, the divorce rate for people over 50 has doubled and more than tripled for those over 65. Oprah is joined by Susan Guthrie, a family law attorney and host of the popular podcast, Divorce and Beyond®. Joining the conversation are Lori Gottlieb, psychotherapist, and author of the New York Times bestselling book, Maybe You Should Talk to Someone and Dr. Susan L. Brown, co-author of the studies identifying this national phenomenon, and a Distinguished Professor at Bowling Green State University. We also hear from several women who are in the early stages of gray divorce, have gone through gray divorce and adult children of parents who divorced after age 50.

00:00:00 - Rising divorce rates after 50 (“gray divorce”)

00:02:00 - Expert insights with Dr. Susan Brown

00:03:18 - Why gray divorce is on the rise

00:04:09 - Guest: Family law attorney Susan Guthrie

00:06:20 - Guest: Lori Gottlieb, author of Maybe You Should Talk to Someone

00:11:00 - Why divorce feels shameful

00:14:30 - Men’s surprise at women’s “invisible work”

00:16:22 - Is divorce always terrible?

00:19:02 - Divorce as grief and loss

00:26:45 - First steps after divorce

00:30:58 - Impact on older children

00:36:58 - Why few expect to remarry

00:41:50 - When parent-child roles reverse

00:47:32 - Knowing when to move on

Additional Resources:

Susan Guthrie, The Divorce & Beyond Podcast

https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/

Dr. Susan L. Brown, National Center for Family and Marriage Research at BGSU

BGSU.edu/ncfmr

"Maybe You Should to Someone: A Therapist, Her Therapist, and Our Lives Revealed” by Lori Gottlieb, is published by Harper Collins and available wherever books are sold.

https://www.harpercollins.com/products/maybe-you-should-talk-to-someone-lori-gottlieb?variant=40828383363106

Addison Aloian’s Women's Health piece, 'My Parents Got Divorced When I Was An Adult. Why Do I Feel So Weird Now That They've Moved On?

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/relationships/a63799212/adult-child-of-divorce/

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Listen to the full podcast:

https://open.spotify.com/show/0tEVrfNp92a7lbjDe6GMLI

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-oprah-podcast/id1782960381

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