The Michael Shermer Show

Government Transparency & UFOs: Inside Military Programs and Classified Briefings

Jan 21, 2026
Kent Heckenlively, an attorney and bestselling author known for tackling scientific controversies, engages in a captivating discussion about UFOs and government secrecy. He argues for the existence of potentially disruptive information being hidden from the public. They explore credible congressional testimonies, misidentifications of UAPs, and argue over what disclosures might threaten industries. Heckenlively also mentions the surprising Nazca mummies as current evidence, while emphasizing the importance of credible witnesses amidst widespread skepticism.
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INSIGHT

Multiple Plausible Narratives

  • Kent Heckenlively frames multiple narratives for UFOs, weighing alien, misidentification, and intelligence-deception explanations.
  • He emphasizes skepticism but remains open, assigning probabilities rather than certainties.
ANECDOTE

Trinity Crash Story

  • Heckenlively recounts the Vallée/Harris Trinity crash story found near the first atomic test site to explain early secrecy.
  • He argues this timing makes rapid military secrecy more narratively plausible than Roswell myths.
ANECDOTE

Hellfire Missile Puzzle

  • Heckenlively cites the Hellfire missile incident released by Congressman Eric Burleson as an example of puzzling kinetic interactions.
  • He questions why a guided missile locked to a target would fail to detonate.
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