Glenn Greenwald On The Left: Hey Idiots, It's Your Fault!
Nov 27, 2024
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Glenn Greenwald, an independent journalist and host of System Update, joins to dissect the left's waning influence. He critiques the Democratic Party's disconnect, especially with figures like Joe Rogan. The conversation touches on Biden's precarious Ukraine stance and the implications of increased military involvement. Greenwald also discusses the rise of long-form podcasts, free expression in light of censorship, and how TikTok's role in politics reflects broader issues of engagement and government regulation.
The left's decline in power results from alienating diverse voices, culminating in a fractured coalition that lacks adaptability.
Concerns over U.S. military aid to Ukraine highlight the risks of escalation without clear objectives, potentially undermining future diplomatic efforts.
Deep dives
Trump's Disruption of Institutional Authority
Donald Trump's election in 2016 significantly weakened the perceived invulnerability of major institutions that dominate the political landscape, such as the intelligence agencies and mainstream media. His victory exposed the limitations of bipartisan agreements, leading to widespread disillusionment among traditional power structures that had anticipated his loss. Subsequent electoral challenges, including the 2020 election, further illustrated this disruption, as Trump continued to draw unexpected support from diverse voter groups despite ongoing negative portrayals. Ultimately, his presidency catalyzed a decentralization of information power, diminishing the control previously held by elite institutions over public opinion.
Critique of Pod Save America
The discussion around Pod Save America highlighted an aversion among key Democratic strategists to engage in self-reflection after their electoral defeats, particularly regarding Kamala Harris's run for the vice presidency. Despite significant financial backing and a well-resourced campaign, the team largely characterized their loss as unavoidable, blaming external factors rather than recognizing potential flaws in their strategy or candidate. The refusal to acknowledge mistakes revealed a broader pattern of denial within a Democratic establishment that has struggled to adapt to changing voter sentiments. Their dismissive attitude towards unfamiliar voices, exemplified by a reluctance to engage with platforms like Joe Rogan's, further alienates potential supporters.
Risks of Ongoing Military Support to Ukraine
The ongoing military support to Ukraine, including a recent request for additional funding, raises concerns about escalating a conflict without clear objectives or a feasible resolution. The potential for direct U.S. military involvement through the use of long-range missiles complicates the situation further, especially considering Russia's significant nuclear capabilities. Critics argue that such actions might hinder future diplomatic efforts aimed at peaceful resolution, particularly if a change in U.S. leadership occurs that favors dialogue over military intervention. The focus on continued military engagements, instead of seeking compromise, risks amplifying violence and prolonging the suffering of the Ukrainian people.
Changing Landscape of Media Consumption
The shift in how Americans access news, with an increasing preference for social media and independent platforms over traditional corporate media, poses challenges for the Democratic Party, which has historically relied on mainstream outlets. As trust in these institutions deteriorates, efforts to control narratives, including potential bans on platforms like TikTok, reflect an urgent need to adapt to this new era of information dissemination. The inability to grasp the implications of this shift highlights a disconnect between the established political class and everyday voters. Without embracing open dialogue and engaging meaningfully with diverse perspectives, political entities risk losing further ground in public trust and political capital.
In the wake of their defeat, Democrats are declaring that they need a "left-wing Joe Rogan." But Charlie and Rogan himself have already pointed out, Rogan used to be on the left, until they kicked him out. Fellow exile Glenn Greenwald joins Charlie for a full hour to discuss how the left lost its power by progressively alienating more and more people until their coalition vanished. He also comments on Biden's risky handling of the Ukraine War, the rise of long-form podcasts, rolling back censorship, and more.