Entrepreneurs in Recovery 090: Joe Schock | Redefining Sobriety: AA, Depression & Psychedelics
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I sit down with recovery veteran Joe Schock to explore how AA, depression, and psychedelic tools can coexist. Joe shares the windowsill moment that cracked open his thinking and how microdosing plus rigorous integration practices helped him reframe powerlessness into agency—without abandoning the foundation that kept him alive.
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Moments From the Show
00:00:00 – Intro
01:27 – 27 years sober & early depression diagnosis
03:42 – Sponsor, God, and the windowsill plant
05:52 – Stigma, relapse fear, and secret curiosity
07:47 – First plant medicine experience
11:00 – A calling to serve after loss
19:22 – First steps if you’re struggling beyond meetings
21:50 – “Contempt prior to investigation” in real life
28:44 – Microdosing in recovery: assessment & safeguards
31:49 – Why both of us waited 13–15 years to try medicine
40:41 – Powerlessness vs agency: the sober reframe
56:00 – Joe’s depression protocol & titration approach
01:01:03 – Retreats, Vital Psychedelic Training, and facilitation
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The Entrepreneurs in Recovery podcast is for those interested in finding healing from addictions, trauma, and attachments that hold them back from sharing their authentic voice and message with the world. We showcase a wide variety of guests specializing in holistic health, mental health, wealth, addiction, trauma, spirituality, habit change, entrepreneurship, psychedelics, integration, and more. Hosted by Jesse Harless, interviewing individuals who overcame tremendous odds in order to find their innate greatness within and share their endeavors with the world. You’ll hear helpful tools, ideas, vulnerability, synchronicities, and inspiring stories that will impact your mind, body, and soul. #EntrepreneursInRecovery #addiction #podcast