In the first It’s Always Media Thursday podcast of 2023, Editor Justin Pearse and Publisher Andy Oakes kick off the year with another gentle ramble through a week in digital media and marketing.

In another Andy's Illness special, we're joined by the irrepressible Rob Blake, MD of Channel Factory. 

We talk about the reasons to be cheerful in 2023, another brilliant event from Mediatel and the excitement building around Cannes Lions.

And Rob tells why he believes 2023 sees the industry move into "the era of inclusion".