Ep. 156: Dr. Sean Stein Smith - Cryptoassets, NFTs, and DeFI

Dr. Sean Stein Smith: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-sean-stein-smith-dba-cpa-63307444/

President’s Working Group on Financial Markets Releases Report and Recommendations on Stablecoins: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0454

Stablecoins Might Be On The Hot Seat, But Are Integral For Crypto Innovation: https://www.forbes.com/sites/seansteinsmith/2021/11/29/stablecoins-might-be-on-the-hot-seat-but-are-integral-for-crypto-innovation/?sh=6628d556674d

FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Adam: (00:04)
 Welcome back to Count Me In, IMA's podcast about all things affecting the accounting and finance world. This is your host Adam Larson, and for episode 156, we welcome back Dr. Sean Stein Smith. With the constant evolution and advancements around crypto. Sean joins count me in again to talk about various reports and newsworthy information relating to stablecoins and digital assets. From standards on cryptocurrency to NFTs and decentralized finance. You'll want to keep listening to learn about what it all means and hear some of the potential future implications. Let's head over the conversation now.
 
 Mitch: (00:48)
 So Sean, you've joined us for a few episodes now and in previous conversations you've discussed blockchain. Lastly, we talked about accounting standards for cryptocurrencies. Now there have been more advancements and additional considerations around crypto assets. I'd first like to get your thoughts on the report and the recommendations on stablecoins from the president's working group on financial markets. I know that came out a few weeks ago now, early November. I was just wondering if you can kind of summarize what was included in that report and why it is so important as an update.
 
 Sean: (01:21)
 Absolutely Mitch. And I'm always happy to be on here talking with you blockchain, crypto asset updates, because it really is one: a hot topic and two: an area that is increasingly of importance for everybody working in accounting, finance, economic roles, whether in industry management or elsewhere. So, so in terms of sort of the highlights and the core points in the president's working group report there really what I would say is that honestly, on the one hand, I would say that the involved actors, right, be it, the OCC, FDIC, private sector corporations had done a pretty good job at outlining the, the base case and the fundamentals for how a stablecoin operates. Right. But on the other hand, they were, I believe a bit overt or unbalanced in terms of how they analyzed the whole stablecoin ecosystem, right. In terms of the pros and the cons. And especially in terms of the, risks, right, that having a actual stablecoin based payment network actually get, get to that level of being used at a commercial level by either corporations or by whole nation states. But, overall, probably the top two or three points there is that one they've, they've done a good job at researching and trying to pull out sort of who the, big players are out there. And there honestly really only are a handful of them and the, and the bulk of the transactions happening in any stablecoin outlook now are handled by a, by a handful of organizations and the bulk of those, transactions are also happen with coins backed on the one-to-one basis at the US dollar. And then two, sort of they also did a good job, I believe at outlining sort of the pros and cons, obviously more on the cons side, but, but a pretty good job at outlining the pros and cons of having a stablecoin based payment network versus the current Fiat based network. And then three. And, and here's where I think there's the most promise, but also the highest risk. On the one hand, they also outlined and by they, I mean, the members of the working group, outlined really what, what, factors and components any organizations trying to use a stablecoin payment network would have to take into account meaning who the counterparties are, who has the insurance, and then how are these platforms and these connections between these different involved organizations able to be secure. And then ultimately the end result of all of that of that conversation and I believe the actual report was about 28 pages. The end result kind of mirrors the policy paper put out by Coinbase back on October. And, and in both of those white papers, both of which were between 15, and 30 pages long. So they aren't massive documents, but the end goal or the end call to action on both documents, which I find quite interesting is this call for a new crypto specific, regulator that, that, that has powers or is imbued with powers by, by Congress to directly oversee all aspects of the, crypto asset space. So overall probably I would give it like a "B Minus" in terms of the output. Cause on the one hand, the working group did a good job at outline the issues, outlining terminology, characteristics, and traits, and, highlighting some of the core issues out there. But they were, I believe a bit unbalanced in their outlook in terms of the pros and the cons.
 
 Mitch: (05:31)
 It's so funny, you bring that up because I read through the paper and as we got towards the end, you know, particularly when they summarized everything at the end, there's a statement that they gave, it says while the scope of this report is limited to stablecoins, work on digital assets and other innovations related to cryptographic and distributed ledger technology is ongoing throughout the administration. So it sounds like they are aware that they did not cover everything that they needed to necessarily, or maybe something else is in the works. You know, that's kinda where I was going with my next question. Other innovations in this space, can you take a guess at what they might be referring to?
 
 Sean: (06:11)
 I mean, man, if I had access to that data, I mean, I'd be on a beach somewhere, which, but probably if I had to hazard a guess, I would say that the top two areas, and obviously there have been quite, public comments out of the SEC and the IRS in terms of their really uptick in compliance efforts, collection efforts, enforcement efforts. So I would say that probably one output or outcome that I am sort of eyeing to happen during 2022 is that there is going to be out of some agency don't know which one yet. I would say probably the SEC there is going to be some sort of, framework or guideline to help companies get a better handle on which type of crypto asset falls into which, financial instrument bucket. And by that, I actually mean if I'm issuing a token or a coin, is that gonna be treated as a, equity, security, commodity or some other form of instrument? So I say on the one hand, that's probably an area, that they are trying to work on and by they, if the White House Congress and the various, oversight agencies, and then two, what I would say is that currently I'm hearing quite a bit of, chatter about NFTs, but I haven't hearing quite a bit about NFTs because even though now the conversation around NFTs is, you know, kind of focused on like the Board Ape NFTs and you know, Beeple in March of this year. And it's more athlete and artist and artwork focused the implications for this new type of crypto asset nonfunctional token, or, NFT are actually quite broad. So I would not be surprised at all if, you know, going forward NFTs are an area that the White House and policy makers and regulators try to really get a handle on, right. Because they because on the one hand, Bitcoin ...