Explore the mutual enmity between Cao Cao and Sun Quan during the Eastern Han Dynasty. Learn about the Battle of Red Cliffs and the Chinese saying 'Changyu'. Discover the strategic choices faced by Sun Chen and the defeat of Wei in the Battle of Redcliffs. Emphasizes the need for peaceful resolutions and the concept of 'Shur Bu Liang Li'.
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The Chinese saying 'Sure Bu Liang Li' reflects the irreconcilable feud between enemies and implies that only one can exist, not both.
The story of the Battle of Red Cliffs highlights the application of the Chinese saying 'Sure Bu Liang Li' as Sun Chen chooses to join forces with Liu Bei to defeat Tao Tao.
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The Chinese saying 'Sure Bu Liang Li'
The podcast discusses the Chinese saying 'Sure Bu Liang Li', which means two forces cannot simultaneously exist. It is derived from the ancient classic texts that gave insight into the warring states period in ancient China. The saying is famously remembered for its inclusion in the records of the Three Kingdoms, a source used to produce the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, a renowned Chinese classic novel. The saying reflects the irreconcilable feud between two enemies and implies that only one can exist, not both.
The Battle of Red Cliffs and Sun Chen's Decision
The podcast highlights the story of the Battle of Red Cliffs during the Three Kingdoms era in China. Sun Chen, a general of Eastern Wu, had to make a crucial decision when faced with the threat of Tao Tao, a general from the Wei Kingdom. Sun Chen's trusted advisor, Zhou Yu, convinced him that Tao Tao's forces were not as strong as feared, and their own expertise in river battles gave them an advantage. Sun Chen ultimately chose to join forces with another leader, Liu Bei, to defeat Tao Tao. This decision was guided by the understanding that Tao Tao and Sun Chen could not exist peacefully in the same world, aligning with the Chinese saying 'Sure Bu Liang Li'.
So much rancor in this world these days. Here's one that describes the feeling of mutual enmity that existed between two giants of their day, Cao Cao and Sun Quan. During the waning years of the Eastern Han Dynasty, three powerful forces jockeyed for position to see who might push the Liu's off the throne and take over to found a new dynasty. There was no reconciliation in the tea leaves. As far as Cao Cao of Wei and Sun Quan of Wu were concerned, that throne was only big enough for one of them. Here's a story from 208 AD that features a useful Chinese Saying born on the eve of the epic Battle of Red Cliffs.