The Breakfast Club INTERVIEW: Ms. Pat & Jordan E. Cooper Talk Writing Partnership, New Shows, Government Shutdown + More
Nov 5, 2025
Ms. Pat, a stand-up comedian and television star, shares her vibrant journey from poverty to success, bringing humor to her past while discussing the importance of authenticity in storytelling. Joining her is Jordan E. Cooper, a talented playwright and screenwriter dedicated to uplifting Black narratives. They explore their creative partnership, the challenges of network pushback, and the significance of representation in media. Ms. Pat reflects on her regrets, while both emphasize the necessity of radical Black joy and the impact of government policies on the underprivileged.
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Airplane Conversations Became The Pilot
- Ms. Pat tells how she used to provoke racist conversations on airplanes to study white people's views and turned that into a pilot idea.
- Jordan listened and used that real-life seed to build the show's airplane-first episode into the pilot.
Authenticity Enables Uncensored Comedy
- Jordan says authenticity lets Ms. Pat be uncensored in the sitcom, matching a Def Jam comedy vibe.
- Allowing a comic to be themselves creates space for hard conversations without diluting their voice.
Write Without Whiteness As The Default
- Jordan writes without centering whiteness, aiming content directly at Black audiences.
- He argues centering whiteness in art is a form of white supremacy and dilutes Black cultural expression.
