While we truly love to drink wine, we would hardly call ourselves experts. And after downing quite a few delicious bottles over the last few months without a sommelier or bartender to guide us, we thought we'd check in with two of the least snobby wine snobs we know: Women Who Travel contributor Shanika Hillocks and Helen's Wines' Helen Johannesen. We talk all about how our taste—and willingness to shell out—has changed during lockdown, some places to start when looking to test your wine comfort zone, and what the wine industry looks like today. (And don't worry, we don't say "vino" once.)

If you're headed to your local wine shop after listening or want to browse for some bottles to pick up online, here are all of the wines we mentioned in the episode, with links to where we could find them:

Strekov 1075 Fred #5 red blend, Južnoslovenská, Slovakia
Valentina Passalcqua Primitivo, Puglia, Italy
Calcarius Orange, Puglia, Italy
Maison Noir Love Drunk Rosé, Oregon
Domaine De Cherouche Gamay, Ayent, Switzerland
Zafa Wines and CO Cellars Electric Mayhem cans, Burlington, Vermont
Aslina Umsasane red blend, Stellenbosch, South Africa
Sieman Mosca Bianca, Veneto, Italy
Yetti & The Kokonut Savagnin 'Metro', South Australia
Clos Lentiscus Cric Cric Blanc, Penedès, Spain

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