In this episode of Minds & Mics, I talk with psychologist and author Pia Callesen about overthinking and the metacognitive approach to emotional struggles like anxiety and depression.

Show Notes

Here are some of the highlights from our conversation:

What is overthinking, exactly?
Types of overthinking
The 2 reasons why we overthink
The difference between anxious and depressive overthinking
Overthinking as a universal mechanism for emotional suffering
Scheduled overthinking
Metacognitive Therapy vs traditional Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)
Metacognitive Therapy vs Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT)
The busy train station metaphor
The windowpane experiment
The problem with coping skills
How will psychotherapy be different in 50 years?

You can learn more about Pia and her work here:

Pia’s website
Pia’s book: Live More Think Less: Overcoming Depression and Sadness with Metacognitive Therapy
Pia’s article on overthinking in Psyche: How to Stop Overthinking

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