
Digital Social Hour Justus Smith: Civilizations Collapse Every 200 Years… Are We Next? | DSH #1786
Jan 26, 2026
29:20
Last guest at AmFest and it gets WILD.
Shawn sits down with Justus Smith (Proverbs Media Group) for a rapid-fire conversation that jumps from civilizational collapse and IQ, to remote viewing, William Cooper, and why the CIA might be the most dangerous institution nobody wants to talk about.
They break down the idea that civilizations rise and fall in cycles, how genetics + environment shape behavior, and why the “gap” between elites and everyone else can accelerate collapse.
Then Justus goes full deep-end: MK-Ultra, black ops, plausible deniability, “controlled opposition,” and why podcast-era ex-intel guys might be part of the narrative.
If you like conversations that feel like a history class + conspiracy thread + culture war debate… this is it.
What you’ll learn 👇
✅ 🏛️ Why civilizations collapse (and what triggers it)
✅ 🧬 How genetics + environment shape behavior and society
✅ 🧠 Fluid vs crystal intelligence — and why IQ became political
✅ 📉 The “collapse pillars”: inflation, immigration, demoralization
✅ 🕵️ Why some ex-intel media tours might be “controlled opposition”
✅ 🧪 The CIA’s “plausible deniability” problem + black operations
Chapters
0:00 – Western culture, raising kids, and civilizational collapse cycles
0:57 – AmFest intro + meeting Justus Smith
1:24 – The Charlie interview and “getting a different side”
2:08 – William Cooper + “Behold a Pale Horse” rabbit hole
5:14 – Remote viewing, parapsychology, and the “PK Man” story
7:02 – “Lack of money is the root of evil” + why intellect matters
7:52 – Fluid vs crystal intelligence (and why IQ gets controversial)
11:05 – Ecology, development, and why civilization needs “high IQ” systems
16:08 – Elites, mutation, and the 3 pillars of collapse
22:41 – CIA talk: controlled opposition, MK-Ultra, black ops, plausible deniability
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