Welcome back to The Trip Report Podcast, a production of Beckley Waves, a Psychedelic Venture Studio.

Today, I am speaking with Joanna Kempner, PhD, a medical sociologist with deep expertise in the healthcare system’s approach—and shortcomings—to treating chronic illness. 

Joanna is well known for her research on the social dynamics of medicine and has written extensively on the topic of migraines and chronic pain.

She also just published a fantastic book, Psychedelic Outlaws - The Movement Revolutionizing Modern Medicine, which tells the story of Clusterbusters, a patient support group of people suffering from cluster headaches, one of the most punishing and debilitating neurological disorders there is.

Clusterbusters pioneered the use of low-dose psychedelics as an effective treatment for  Cluster Headache.

Psychedelic Outlaws chronicles the group’s fight for access to lifesaving medication and their innovative approach to real-world research.

Joanna shares her journey into the field of medical sociology, inspired by her personal experiences and observations of gaps in the healthcare system. 

She discusses the challenges faced by patients with chronic illnesses, particularly those with chronic pain, and how these individuals often become experts in understanding what medicine doesn't know.

In this episode, we discuss:

* Joanna's background and her journey into medical sociology

* The challenges faced by patients with chronic pain and the concept of "ignorance" in medicine

* The story of Clusterbusters and their discovery of psychedelics as a treatment for cluster headaches

* The political and scientific hurdles in studying and legitimizing treatments for chronic pain

* The potential of psychedelics to push the boundaries of biomedical research and pain management

* And much more.

And now, I bring you my conversation with Joanna Kempner.

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