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#103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence

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Jun 22, 2020

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Ben Goertzel

Ben Goertzel, Founder of SingularityNET and a pioneer in Artificial General Intelligence, dives deep into the future of AI. He discusses his literary inspirations, including the impact of sci-fi on his journey. Goertzel explores the potential of intelligence beyond human understanding, the philosophical influences of Dostoevsky and Nietzsche, and the ethical dilemmas of AGI. He shares insights on projects like OpenCog and the Sophia robot, and the vision behind decentralized AI systems. The conversation also touches on humanity's journey to Mars and the quest for immortality through technology.

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ADVICE

AGI Research Opportunities

Explore OpenCog and other open-source AGI projects for master's and PhD thesis opportunities.
Finding a supervisor who supports AGI research is crucial.

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SingularityNET Vision

SingularityNET aims to create a decentralized network of AIs, inspired by Marvin Minsky's Society of Minds.
Unlike Minsky, Goertzel believes in incorporating generally intelligent agents within the network.

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Decentralized AI Development

SingularityNET's decentralized nature offers benefits for AI agents outsourcing work and making API calls.
This necessitates a shift towards agent-based AI software development.

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Influential Works in AI and Science Fiction

03:01 • 4min

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Exploring Hidden Intelligences

06:55 • 7min

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Exploring the Philosophical Depths of Dostoevsky and Nietzsche

13:31 • 3min

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Exploring Heritage: A Journey Through Eastern European Jewish Identity

16:13 • 3min

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Foundations of AI Passion

19:00 • 13min

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Motivation and Morality

31:47 • 10min

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Exploring AGI and Mars Colonization

41:44 • 14min

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The Journey to Artificial General Intelligence

55:42 • 25min

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Navigating the Path to Artificial General Intelligence

01:21:00 • 16min

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Exploring OpenCog: AGI Foundations and Innovations

01:37:06 • 18min

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Navigating Type Systems in AI

01:55:34 • 30min

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Decentralized Intelligence: SingularityNet Unleashed

02:25:36 • 24min

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Behind the Creation of Sophia

02:49:51 • 5min

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Sophia: The Facade of AI Perception

02:54:54 • 21min

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Intelligence and Viruses: Lessons from COVID-19

03:16:20 • 10min

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Decentralizing Health and AI for a Better Future

03:25:51 • 6min

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Corporate Benevolence and Ethical Dilemmas

03:31:34 • 6min

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The Path to Beneficial AGI and the Role of Organizational Control

03:38:00 • 2min

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Immortality and the Human Experience

03:40:29 • 18min

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Whimsical Origins and AGI Ethics

03:58:21 • 11min

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Gödel, Escher, Bach

An Eternal Golden Braid

Douglas Hofstadter

This book by Douglas Hofstadter is a comprehensive and interdisciplinary work that explores the interrelated ideas of Kurt Gödel, M.C. Escher, and Johann Sebastian Bach. It delves into concepts such as self-reference, recursion, and the limits of formal systems, particularly through Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem. The book uses dialogues between fictional characters, including Achilles and the Tortoise, to intuitively present complex ideas before they are formally explained. It covers a wide range of topics including cognitive science, artificial intelligence, number theory, and the philosophy of mind, aiming to understand how consciousness and intelligence emerge from formal systems.

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Solaris

Stanisław Lem

Solaris, written by Stanisław Lem, follows psychologist Kris Kelvin as he arrives at a research station above the planet Solaris. The planet is covered by a living ocean that has the ability to create physical manifestations of the scientists' repressed memories. Kelvin's arrival is prompted by a cryptic message from his former mentor, Gibarian, and he finds the station in disarray. The ocean's responses to human experiments lead to the materialization of 'visitors,' including Kelvin's deceased lover, Rheya. The novel explores themes of human limitations, the impossibility of mutual communication with alien intelligence, and the psychological impacts on the scientists. It is a thoughtful and philosophical work that challenges the conventional science fiction narratives of alien contact and communication.

Ben Goertzel is one of the most interesting minds in the artificial intelligence community. He is the founder of SingularityNET, designer of OpenCog AI framework, formerly a director of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, Chief Scientist of Hanson Robotics, the company that created the Sophia Robot. He has been a central figure in the AGI community for many years, including in the Conference on Artificial General Intelligence.

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Here’s the outline of the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.

OUTLINE:
00:00 – Introduction
03:20 – Books that inspired you
06:38 – Are there intelligent beings all around us?
13:13 – Dostoevsky
15:56 – Russian roots
20:19 – When did you fall in love with AI?
31:30 – Are humans good or evil?
42:04 – Colonizing mars
46:53 – Origin of the term AGI
55:56 – AGI community
1:12:36 – How to build AGI?
1:36:47 – OpenCog
2:25:32 – SingularityNET
2:49:33 – Sophia
3:16:02 – Coronavirus
3:24:14 – Decentralized mechanisms of power
3:40:16 – Life and death
3:42:44 – Would you live forever?
3:50:26 – Meaning of life
3:58:03 – Hat
3:58:46 – Question for AGI

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