Ben Goertzel, Founder of SingularityNET and a pioneer in Artificial General Intelligence, dives deep into the future of AI. He discusses his literary inspirations, including the impact of sci-fi on his journey. Goertzel explores the potential of intelligence beyond human understanding, the philosophical influences of Dostoevsky and Nietzsche, and the ethical dilemmas of AGI. He shares insights on projects like OpenCog and the Sophia robot, and the vision behind decentralized AI systems. The conversation also touches on humanity's journey to Mars and the quest for immortality through technology.
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Star Trek Inspiration
Ben Goertzel's initial interest in AI stemmed from watching Star Trek with his father.
The show's diverse alien civilizations sparked his fascination with different cultures and mechanisms.
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Intraparticulate Intelligence
What we perceive as random quantum fluctuations might be thoughts of miniaturized superintelligences.
Our limited understanding prevents us from comprehending the true nature of reality.
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Family History
Goertzel's family background is three-quarters Eastern European Jewish, with a strong emphasis on learning and understanding the world.
His great-grandparents were socialists and communists who emigrated to New York around World War I.
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Solaris, written by Stanisław Lem, follows psychologist Kris Kelvin as he arrives at a research station above the planet Solaris. The planet is covered by a living ocean that has the ability to create physical manifestations of the scientists' repressed memories. Kelvin's arrival is prompted by a cryptic message from his former mentor, Gibarian, and he finds the station in disarray. The ocean's responses to human experiments lead to the materialization of 'visitors,' including Kelvin's deceased lover, Rheya. The novel explores themes of human limitations, the impossibility of mutual communication with alien intelligence, and the psychological impacts on the scientists. It is a thoughtful and philosophical work that challenges the conventional science fiction narratives of alien contact and communication[2][3][4].
Gödel, Escher, Bach
An Eternal Golden Braid
Douglas Hofstadter
This book by Douglas Hofstadter is a comprehensive and interdisciplinary work that explores the interrelated ideas of Kurt Gödel, M.C. Escher, and Johann Sebastian Bach. It delves into concepts such as self-reference, recursion, and the limits of formal systems, particularly through Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem. The book uses dialogues between fictional characters, including Achilles and the Tortoise, to intuitively present complex ideas before they are formally explained. It covers a wide range of topics including cognitive science, artificial intelligence, number theory, and the philosophy of mind, aiming to understand how consciousness and intelligence emerge from formal systems[2][4][5].
Universal Artificial Intelligence
Marcus Hutter
This book unifies sequential decision theory and algorithmic information theory to create a framework for optimal reinforcement learning agents in unknown environments. It covers various AI problems, including sequence prediction and strategic games.
The Prometheus Project
Gerald Feinberg
In 'The Prometheus Project', Gerald Feinberg discusses the potential impact of technologies like AI and genetic engineering on human society. He proposes a global democratic process to set long-term goals for humanity, suggesting that the United Nations could facilitate a worldwide discussion on how to use these technologies for the betterment of human consciousness or to avoid consumerism. The book is a pioneering work in examining the intersection of technology and societal goals.
The Phenomenon of Science
A cybernetic approach to human evolution
Valentin Fyodorovich Turchin
In 'The Phenomenon of Science', Valentin Turchin presents a comprehensive evolutionary scheme of the universe, integrating cybernetic principles to explain the emergence of complex systems. The book explores how higher levels of control evolve, leading to the development of life, human self-consciousness, and scientific knowledge. Turchin's approach emphasizes the role of random variations and environmental interactions in evolution, rejecting purposeful or preordained development.
Ben Goertzel is one of the most interesting minds in the artificial intelligence community. He is the founder of SingularityNET, designer of OpenCog AI framework, formerly a director of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, Chief Scientist of Hanson Robotics, the company that created the Sophia Robot. He has been a central figure in the AGI community for many years, including in the Conference on Artificial General Intelligence.
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OUTLINE:
00:00 – Introduction
03:20 – Books that inspired you
06:38 – Are there intelligent beings all around us?
13:13 – Dostoevsky
15:56 – Russian roots
20:19 – When did you fall in love with AI?
31:30 – Are humans good or evil?
42:04 – Colonizing mars
46:53 – Origin of the term AGI
55:56 – AGI community
1:12:36 – How to build AGI?
1:36:47 – OpenCog
2:25:32 – SingularityNET
2:49:33 – Sophia
3:16:02 – Coronavirus
3:24:14 – Decentralized mechanisms of power
3:40:16 – Life and death
3:42:44 – Would you live forever?
3:50:26 – Meaning of life
3:58:03 – Hat
3:58:46 – Question for AGI