David talks to author Michael Lewis about SBF and EA: about the man he got to know before, during and after his spectacular fall and about the philosophy with which he was associated. What did Sam Bankman-Fried believe was the purpose of making so much money? How did he manage to get so side-tracked from doing good? Why when it all went wrong did he fail to save himself? A conversation about utilitarianism, risk and human weakness.

Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon by Michael Lewis is out now in paperback with a new afterword https://bit.ly/3ZXr88u

The second bonus episode to accompany our recent series on Thinking Machines is available now: David and Shannon Vallor talk about where AI is really taking us, sorting the reality from the hype. Sign up to PPF+ for just £5 per month or £50 a year for 24 bonus episodes https://www.ppfideas.com/join-ppf-plus

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