49. The Pastor And The Product Manager

They say being a product manager is like being a “mini” CEO.

Being a Pastor is like being a CEO, only it’s harder. 

There are budgets. Websites. Receivables and Payables.

There are no Sunday’s off. There is hiring and firing… and the people you fire? chances are they are part of your congregation, and you get to see them, and their families, every Sunday.

In this episode, I interviewed my friend B.J. Hillabush,  to learn the story of his incredible jump from Pastor to Product Leader. 

BJ is an accomplished product and career coach, and his journey is a testament to the power of vision, versatility, and the deep impact of nurturing both innovation and storytelling.

Listen to this episode and learn more about what it really means to be a pastor, and how we can learn more about how to deal with challenges in the IT industry, from BJ’s hard learned and earned lessons in life.