Jacobin Show: Can the US Become a Social Democracy? w/ Bhaskar Sunkara
Jun 4, 2021
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Nando Villa guest hosts alongside Bhaskar Sunkara, the editor of Jacobin magazine known for his insightful commentary on socialism. They dive deep into the potential of social democracy in the U.S., contrasting it with democratic socialism. Key topics include the lessons learned from Bernie Sanders' campaigns, the burgeoning consciousness around class issues, and the historical context of social democracy in Scandinavia. The discussion also addresses healthcare disparities and the role of grassroots movements in reviving a politically engaged working class.
The discussion highlights the lack of a robust welfare state in the US compared to effective social democracy models elsewhere.
Participants critique the liberal response to the Capitol riots, noting a failure to protect voting rights despite extensive discourse.
The podcast underscores how economic inequality and lack of trust in institutions fuel the popularity of conspiracy theories like QAnon.
Deep dives
The Lack of Social Democracy in the US
The podcast discusses the absence of a robust welfare state and social democracy in the United States. It emphasizes the current political environment, where welfare state initiatives are minimal compared to social democracy models in other countries. Participants express concern about the political response to events such as the Capitol riots and critiques of the security state's expansion in reaction to them. They assert that while liberal responses to the riots were intense, they have not translated into meaningful actions against ongoing voter suppression or reduced democratic rights.
Reflections on the Capitol Riots
The podcast reflects on the Capitol riots, analyzing their implications six months after the event. While recognizing the frightening nature of the riots, the participants also point out the shift in public and political discourse surrounding them. They critique the liberal narrative that frames these riots as an unprecedented attack on democracy, highlighting a lack of systematic action from liberal institutions to protect voting rights. The discussion includes skepticism about conspiracy theories suggesting a coordinated effort, arguing that the individual motives of rioters should not hyperbolically define the event's significance.
Conspiracy Theories and QAnon
The podcast addresses the rise of conspiracy theories in America, particularly the influence of QAnon on public perception. It mentions a survey indicating a significant percentage of Americans and Republicans hold QAnon beliefs, presenting a concerning trend. Participants argue that the popularity of such conspiracy theories stems from a lack of trust in institutions, exacerbated by economic inequality and social instability. They suggest that conspiracy theories are appealing in a society where people often feel powerless and look for explanations for their struggles.
Healthcare System and Vaccine Misgivings
The podcast delves into how the flawed American healthcare system contributes to vaccine hesitancy. It cites a New York Times article pointing out that many unvaccinated people fear unexpected medical costs despite vaccines being free. This hesitation is attributed to prior experiences with surprise billing in the healthcare system and doubts about the true costs of care. Participants argue that these issues highlight the need for a more comprehensive, transparent healthcare model, such as a single-payer system, to alleviate public concerns about access to care.
The Opioid Crisis: A Public Health Catastrophe
The podcast examines the ongoing opioid crisis in the context of the pandemic and the systemic failures of the healthcare system. It notes that the crisis has worsened during COVID-19, driven by increased isolation and mental health challenges among Americans. The discussion emphasizes the role of pharmaceutical companies in perpetuating addiction through profit-driven practices. Participants call for accountability and improved support systems for individuals struggling with addiction, underscoring the importance of addressing the root causes of the crisis.
Redefining Social Democracy
The podcast features a discussion about the historical context and future of social democracy in the US. It reflects on how social democracy was once more prevalent during the 20th century and examines its complex relationship with capitalism. Participants argue that the strength of social democracy lies in its ability to empower workers and create equitable economic opportunities. They advocate for a renewed focus on social democratic principles in political discourse to address contemporary injustices and inequalities effectively.
Every Wednesday at 6 PM ET, The Jacobin Show offers socialist perspectives on class and capitalism in the twenty-first century, the failures of liberalism, and the prospects of rebuilding a left labor movement in the US. This is the podcast version of the show from June 2, 2021, with Jen Pan hosting and Nando Villa filling in as a guest host.
Jacobin editor Bhaskar Sunkara joins us to discuss the promise and the limitations of social democracy in the twenty-first century, particularly after the Bernie Sanders moment. What, exactly, is social democracy (and how does it differ from democratic socialism)? Where and how has social democracy worked around the world? And can it work in the Untied States?