First Things Podcast Pius XII’s Vindication (ft. Michael Knowles)
Sep 15, 2025
Michael Knowles, political commentator and author, dives into his docuseries “The Pope and the Führer: The Secret Vatican Files of World War II.” He tackles the controversial legacy of Pope Pius XII, arguing against the 'Hitler's Pope' label and highlighting his efforts to save Jews during the war. The conversation also touches on the need for a return to traditional values within the Catholic Church and the unity of worship, emphasizing how contemporary practices can draw people closer to faith amidst societal changes.
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Vindication Against Later Propaganda
- Michael J. Knowles argues Pius XII was maligned decades later by propagandists rather than contemporaries.
- He presents evidence Pius XII secretly subverted Hitler and saved many Jews, including an Israeli estimate of 860,000 lives saved.
Quiet Diplomacy Saved Lives
- Knowles explains Pius XII chose quiet, clandestine diplomacy rather than public denunciations to save lives.
- He argues loud protests would have provoked harsher Nazi reprisals and worsened deportations.
Chief Rabbi's Baptism Honors Pacelli
- Knowles recounts the chief rabbi of Rome baptized after the war and took the name Eugenio to honor Pacelli.
- He uses this example to challenge claims that Pius XII supported Hitler.
