DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall Pentagon Investigates Mark Kelly Over “Illegal Orders” Video | DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou
Nov 25, 2025
The Pentagon's investigation into Senator Mark Kelly sparks debate on free speech and military obedience. The hosts dive into shifting European attitudes toward Russia as concerns grow over military preparedness. They also analyze RFK Jr.'s public image amid scandal, along with the U.S. response to conflicts in Sudan and Venezuela. Trump's healthcare proposal faces resistance within his party, and the instability within both major political parties is explored, questioning the future led by figures like Trump.
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Free Speech Vs. Military Pressure
- John Kiriakou argues Mark Kelly has the same First Amendment rights and courts will likely block punitive action.
- He also warns the PSA played into partisan fears about a Trump coup and was poor political strategy.
Obeying Orders Is Safer Than Risking Court-Martial
- Both hosts note military training makes disobeying orders practically costly despite legal duty to refuse unlawful orders.
- They stress enlisted troops face real career and prison risks when resisting orders.
Target Senior Military Leadership
- Ted and John say resistance messaging should target generals and Joint Chiefs rather than enlisted troops.
- They recommend discrete meetings and letters to military leadership over public PSAs.
