Lyle Goldstein is back to talk with Scott about a recent U.S. wargame simulating a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. While Goldstein has some problems with the game’s design, he thinks it was far superior to most in its realism. And that, above all, the report authors were honest about the sheer scale of losses both sides face if diplomatic solutions dry up or go ignored.

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Lyle J. Goldstein is the Director of Asia Engagement at Defense Priorities. He is the author of Meeting China Halfway: How to Defuse the Emerging US-China Rivalry. Follow his work at The National Interest and on Twitter @lylegoldstein

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